Crime

Chupeta testimony requested by the jury regarding “Juanitas”

Chivis Martinez Borderland

Below find the testimony from Chupeta asked for by the jury on
Thursday. Specifically they asked for testimony about “Juanitas”
shipments.  Within the testimony is
specifics about logistics and ledgers–
Q Now,
in this partnership with the Sinaloa Cartel, did you
end up
sending them cocaine?
Q What
kind of vessels did you use?
Q Did
you have a code word for these cocaine shipments?
Q What
was that code word?
THE
INTERPRETER: By interpreter, J-U-A-N-I-T-A-S.
Q How
many juanitas or how many cocaine shipments known as
juanitas
did you send to the Sinaloa Cartel?

A 10
juanitas.

juanita
to the Sinaloa Cartel approximately?
A
Approximately at the end of 2002.
Q When
did you send the last cocaine shipment called
juanita
to the Sinaloa Cartel?
A
Approximately January, February of 2005.
Q When
did you stop sending cocaine to the Sinaloa Cartel?
A When
I was arrested in 2007.
Q Now,
you testified before that under this partnership the
Sinaloa
Cartel were investors in your cocaine shipments.
Q When you first started
sending these cocaine shipments called juanitas to the Sinaloa Cartel, who
specifically was
investing
in these cocaine shipments?
A Mr.
Guzmán Loera, Mr. Mayo Zambada and his brother Ray
Zambada,
Nacho Coronel, the Beltran Leyva brothers, and in the
beginning
Vicente Carrillo.
Q What
do you mean by in the beginning?
A
Because he participated until approximately 2004.
A
Well, one of his brothers, El Nino, Rodolfo was murdered.
Q And
what did that lead to?
A It
led to problems between the people of the Federation
of the
Sinaloa Cartel and the Guerreros.
Q What
was the end result of those problems?
A We
separated, and he stopped participating in the
Q When
you say he separated, who specifically are you
A I’m
referring to Mr. Vicente Carrillo.
Q Now,
German Rosero was your top guy in Mexico; correct?
Q Are
you aware of whether or not Mr. Rosero met with the
defendant
while he was in Mexico?
Q Did
Mr. Rosero discuss this with you personally?
Q What
did German tell you?
A
Well, Mr. German Rosero told me that he was going to the
sierras,
to the mountains to speak to Mr. Guzmán Loera, that
he was
going in some rickety old planes. He said I’m nervous
because
these are old airplanes, I’m scared that one of these
airplanes
are going to crash with me in it. And he said when
he had
a meeting, well, one of the meetings he had had with
Mr.
Guzmán Loera, he had told him I know who all that cocaine
that
you’re bringing to Mexico and selling to us belongs to.
Q Mr.
Ramirez, who said that to whom?
A Mr.
Guzmán Loera told German Rosero, my lieutenant. And
in one
of my lieutenant’s trips to Colombia, he explained this
Q What
is it that the defendant told German Rosero at that
A I
know who all that cocaine, all those drugs you’re
selling
us belongs to, all the drugs that are coming from
Colombia
through you, I worked with him for a long time, with
that
man. I send my respects. He was always a straight
shooter.
And that’s basically what German told me.
Q When
the defendant told German that he knew who the
cocaine
was coming from, what did you understand that to mean?
A So
it meant that the defendant knew that cocaine that was
arriving
to them, to the Sinaloa Cartel, to Mr. Guzmán Loera,
and to the others was
mine, that I was the one sending it to

 

them
and giving it to them in high seas.

Q Did
you say anything to German Rosero about this?

A Yes.

Q What did you tell
German Rosero?
A I said: Please, act
like you didn’t hear anything.
Please don’t mention my
name at all. You keep showing your
face and keep saying
that’s your cocaine and don’t name me.
Q Now, did you eventually
send out a cocaine shipment named
Q Do you recall how many
kilos of cocaine were on that
A Approximately 3,600,
3,800 kilos of cocaine.
Q Was this the average
size of a cocaine shipment you were
sending around this time?
A I started with that
amount of kilos in that shipment.
Q Was that small or large
compared to the shipments you
A It was the smallest one
because we went back to the
fishing boats. I started
that way to test if everything was
going to go well, if it
was going to work.
Q Did that cocaine
shipment make it successfully to Mexico?
A Through my lieutenants
and because the money returned to
Colombia from the cocaine
I had sold him at high seas.
Q And who were the
investors in this initial Juanita 1 one shipment?
A Mr. Guzman, Mr. Nacho
Coronel, the Beltran Leyva
brothers, Mayo Zambada,
his brother, and Viceroy who is
Q Do you remember what
percentage the Sinaloa Cartel
invested in this specific
cocaine shipment?
A I don’t remember
exactly how much.
Q And where did you hand
off this initial Juanita 1 cocaine
shipment to the Mexicans?
A High seas, it was
delivered to them.
Q Do you know who it was
delivered to?
Q Who was it delivered
to?
Q So what role did Nacho
Coronel play in Juanita 1?
A He came up with the
logistics for receiving my ship at
high seas with the
cocaine and he also gave German the money
for the Sinaloa Cartel
people’s share before I sent out the
Q Mr. Ramirez, you’ve
used that term a couple of times, the
logistics for receiving
the shipment. Can you explain what
A The logistics mean,
means what, I mean, which member of
the Federation of the
Sinaloa Cartel was going to send the
fishing boat to meet up
with our boat to transfer the coke on
to the Sinaloa Cartel
people’s boat and to offload it onto the
Q So, if Nacho Coronel
was responsible for receiving the
cocaine shipment of
Juanita 1, does that mean that he was the
sole owner of those kilos
of cocaine?
A No. No. He was just
doing the logistics of receiving
Q For the Juanitas that
you ended up sending to the Sinaloa
cartel, was Nacho Coronel
the only one that handled the
logistics of receiving
your cocaine at the high seas?
Q Who else received —
who else handled the logistics for
receiving these cocaine
shipments?
A The Beltran Leyva
brothers and Mr. Guzman Loera.
Q Did you end up sending
a cocaine shipment titled
Q When did you start
planning Juanita 2 in comparison to
the when Juanita one
left?
A Once Juanita Uno made
it successfully to Mexico and the
cocaine had been received
by them, by the Sinaloa Cartel’s
people, it was
transported by them to the United States. It
was sold and then the
money came back and was delivered to me,
delivered to my people in
Mexico City. Then I immediately
began the planning of
Juanita Dos, Juanita 2.
Q How long did it take
you to plan to send out Juanita 2?
A The planning would
usually take two to three weeks,
Q Can you describe
briefly what would happen in those two
to four weeks that you
were planning the cocaine shipment?
A Correct. I had to
coordinate the sending of my cocaine
to the Colombian coast
from where the shipment would leave.
We had to coordinate who
was going to protect the shipment of
cocaine in the Colombian
coast, whether it be the guerillas or

We had to make,
coordinate corruption arrangements

with the Colombian navy
to be able to know that way also where
the American frigates
would be located so that we could figure
a route for our cocaine,
our shipment of cocaine to avoid
meeting up with them and
to avoid the boat being seized.
Q Did you have to
purchase anything to put on these boats?
A Correct. I had, I had
to buy the food for the crew of
the boat, fuel for the
boat, parts for the ship in case the
ship suffered an
inconvenience, and ice to put in the freezer
in the ship where
supposedly the catch would be.
Q What catch are you
talking about?
A I’m speaking of the
catch that the boat would pretend to
be taking by using the
nets as it was going up the Pacific
Ocean to meet up with the
Mexican boat.
Q Once the cocaine
shipment was ready to leave from
Colombia,
approximately how long would it take to get to the
meeting point with the
Sinaloa Cartel on the high seas?
A It could be two, three,
four weeks, depending on if there
was nothing unexpected
that came up, and also the sea
Q What role would you
play during those two, three or
four weeks that the
cocaine was on its way to the Sinaloa
A I would be in permanent
contact with my lieutenant in
Colombia who in turn were
in permanent contact with Mr. German
Rosero in Mexico and I
would monitor how things were going,
you know, on the boat
until my boat met up with the Mexican
boat. The cocaine was
transferred and then it would be
offloaded in Mexico so I
could tell them my lieutenants,
German, the cocaine is
there, get ready to start collecting
Q During the time you
were planning these Juanita cocaine
shipments, how frequently
were you speaking with your
lieutenants and
employees?
A Permanently, always,
throughout the week, several times
Q Would it be fair to say
that you are a hands-on boss?
Q Did Juanita 2 make it
successfully to Mexico?
Q Now, for Juanita 2
through 10, was the logistics the same
for all the other cocaine
shipments that you just, the process
Q Was your level of
involvement in the preparation of these
Q Now, you said that
Juanita 1 had approximately 36 to
3,800 kilos of cocaine.
Did the amounts increase?
Q What was the largest
cocaine shipment via Juanita that
A 12,500 kilos of
cocaine.
Q Now, did you have any
issues with any of the earlier
A I had a problem with
the Juanita Four. The boat was
actually boarded by the
American Coast Guard and it was
searched in detail, my
ship, the one carrying the cocaine.
Q Did the Coast Guard
find the cocaine on your ship?
A No. We had it in a
really well-built secret compartment
and they were not able to
find it.
Q What, if anything, did
you do with that boat?
A I told them to come
back again and to approach the
Colombian Pacific coast
to transfer the cocaine to another
Colombian fishing boat
because I decided not to use that one
because it had already
been boarded so it seemed dangerous to
me, it seemed risky to
me.
A I told my lieutenants
to not use the boat that had been
boarded to transfer the
cocaine to a new, a different fishing
boat. The cocaine was
placed in the secret compartments and
he took, took off again
going towards the high sea meeting
point where it would have
to deliver the cocaine to the
Q Now, Mr. Ramirez, you
discussed a lot of planning and
expenses to prepare these
Juanita shipments.
Q Whose money paid for
these expenses for these cocaine
Q Who was the only person
authorized to make such payments?
Q How did you make these
payments occur?
A I would instruct my
lieutenants to make said payments.
Q Could your lieutenants
make payments without your express
Q How frequently would
you meet with your lieutenants and  workers
to discuss the payments that you were making for the
A Frequently as, as need
be, as many times as necessary.
Q And who specifically
would you meet with to discuss these
A With my lieutenant
Laureano Renteria, with an accountant
whom we used to call
Esteban, and on some occasions, Sergio
Q In what level of detail
would you go into when you would
have these meetings about
these shipments?
MR. PURPURA: Your Honor,
respectfully, time frame?
Q At what point in time
are we talking about?
From what time were you
sending Juanita cocaine
A Approximately from
towards the end of 2002 until
Juanita 10 which took
place in 2005.
Q So during this time,
what level of detail would you get
into about the payments
that were made?
A To every detail, to
every small detail. All the payments
were checked and
instruct, ordered by me.
Q Were there written
reports kept for the Juanita drug
Q Did you keep these
accounting reports?
A Yes. They were created
by my people.
Q Did you physically
input the information that were
contained in these
accounting ledgers?
A Two of my lieutenants
did it who were Laureano Renteria
Mantilla and one of his
assistants whose name is Orlando
Q Who ordered these
accounting ledgers to be created?
A Because I needed to
keep control of the shipments of
cocaine, of the expenses,
to then be able to know what was the
Q Did you keep accounting
records of your expenses in
addition to the Juanita
drug shipments?
Q What did you call these
accounting ledgers?
A The main accounting
ledger.
Q What information did
you order kept in these records?
A Everything that had to
do with the expenses being made
with the Juanitas, about
the Juanitas and also other things
that had to do with my
organization.
Q Did you, did you order
these main accounting ledgers to
Q Did you review the
ledgers for the Juanitas as well as
the main accounting
ledgers?
Q How frequently would
you review these reports?
A Frequently during the
week, you know, when it was
Q Did you review every
single line item in these reports?
Q Did you ever make
changes to these reports?
A Correct, yes, when it
was necessary, because something
Q Why was it important
for you to review these reports?
A Because I wanted to
keep track, to have control with all
detail, with great detail
of my money.
Q Now, Mr. Ramirez, does
there come a time that you leave
Q Approximately when was
that?
Q Do you remember when
during the year?
A Before June. April,
May, after the extradition request
from Washington came out
because of RICO.
Q Did you continue to
send cocaine — I’m sorry.
Where did you go when you
left Colombia?
Q Did you continue to
send cocaine shipments to the Sinaloa
Cartel when you were in
Venezuela?
Q While were you in
Venezuela, who was running your
A I did it completely
myself.
Q How frequently would
you talk to members of your
A Constantly, the entire
day, all the time.
Q Did you send any
Juanita drug shipments while you were in
A Juanita Siete, Juanita
7.
Q Did you see the reports
that were created for Juanita 7?
A I instructed my
lieutenants in Venezuela to organize the
job and I checked the
accounting and the main accounting
ledger and all the expenses
that had to do with that shipment.
Q Mr. Ramirez, does there
come a time that you leave
Q While were you in
Brazil, did you continue to send
cocaine shipments to the
Sinaloa Cartel?
Q While you were in
Brazil, who was in charge of your drug
trafficking organization?
Q How were you able to
send your shipments while you were
A Because I was directing
the cocaine shipments with my
lieutenants. I was in
permanent communication with them. I
had lieutenants in
Venezuela, others, well, the ones I had in
Colombia, and I was in
permanent contact with them.
Q Did you create any
records — I’m sorry.
Did you send any Juanitas
while were you in Brazil?
Q Did you create any or
did you have your organization
create any accounting
ledgers for Juanita 8, 9 and 10?
A Same as always with the
ones before.
Q Did you see those
ledgers for Juanita 8, 9 and 10 while
A Because it was sent to
me, because they had people bring
memory sticks, my
lieutenants would send people.
MS. GOLDBARG: For the
witness only — actually, may
I approach, Your Honor,
since it’s several pages?
MS. GOLDBARG: Let me do
this from the stand,
Your Honor, to make it
quicker. Just for the witness.
I’m showing you 302A. I’m
going to go through these
quickly. 302B, 302C, D,
E, F, G, H.
MR. PURPURA: Your Honor,
just to shortcut it, the
defense will stipulate that,
in fact, these ledgers accurately
depict the ledgers that
he’s referring to that were prepared.
THE COURT: Okay. Are you
stipulating that they are
MR. PURPURA: We have no
objection based on the
foundation that was laid
in court here today.
THE COURT: Okay. They are
received. Just recite
the total numbers, the
first and last.
MS. GOLDBARG: Sure. 302I,
302J, 302K and 302L. So
the government would move
without objection 302A through L
THE COURT: Okay. They are
in.
(Government Exhibits 302A
through 302L so marked.)
MS. GOLDBARG: I’m going
to put on the screen for
Q Mr. Ramirez, what are
we looking at here?
A These are the expenses
for the Juanita 2 shipment.
Q According to this
ledger on 302A, how many kilos of
cocaine was in Juanita 2?
A 6,000 kilos of cocaine.
Q According to this
ledger, who had the responsibility to
receive the cocaine at
the high seas?
A So, the Beltran Leyvas
through Olafo or Ofalto, my
Q I have an arrow here.
Is that where you say Olafo,
Q What is — is that a
code word?
A It was the person from
the Sinaloa Cartel Federation who
was investing in the
cocaine shipment I was sending to them in
Q And above that, there’s
a name. There’s a name. What is
A That was me. That was a
code word for me.
Q So according to this,
how much did you have invested in
A 3,000 kilos of cocaine.
Q And who were the
investors, who were the Mexican
investors in this cocaine
shipment, Juanita 2?
A The Sinaloa Cartel or
Federation people.
Q And who would that be
at this time?
A Mr. Guzman Loera,
Beltran Leyvas and Vicente Carrillo,
Mayo Zambada and his
brother Rey Zambada and Nacho Coronel.
Q Turn now to 302B.
According to 302B, how many kilos of
cocaine were sent on
Juanita 2?
A 6,465 kilos of cocaine.
Q Let’s zoom in a little.
See how many kilos it says
A I only see up to the
column where it says, “Saldo.” I
don’t see all the way
down.
Q If you look at the top.
Q I’m sorry. This is
Juanita 3?
A Yes. On the top, it
says 6,165 kilos, but on the bottom,
it says that the total
sent was 6,485 kilos of cocaine.
Q Why the difference
between the top line and the bottom
A Because one of my
lieutenants who we called El Broder
invested 300 kilos of cocaine,
he provided 300 kilos of
Q According to this
ledger, who was responsible for
receiving this cocaine on
behalf of The Sinaloa Cartel?
A Because of my
lieutenants and because the N was a code
word we used in the
ledgers to refer to him.
Q Showing you what’s now
in evidence as Government
MS. GOLDBARG: Yes, sir. Yes,
Your Honor.
Q This is page 1
(published) and now I am showing you
According to this ledger,
how many kilos of cocaine
were sent on Juanita – 4?
A 8,000 kilos of cocaine.
Q Can you circle where
you see that?
Q And according to this
ledger, who was responsible for
receiving the cocaine
shipment at the high seas for The
A Because S-H-A, Sha,
that’s how we refer to him,
Can you circle where you
see that?
Q Could you read that off
again, please?
A It says S-H-A, Sha,
3,000 kilos of cocaine.
Q Let me zoom in a little
bit. Is that first letter C or
Q And what did C-H-A
mean?
A That’s a code word we
used to refer to Mr. Guzmán Loera,
like Chapo. We only used
Cha.
Q According to this
ledger, how many kilos did The Sinaloa
Cartel invest in Juanita
– 4?
A They invested in 3,000
kilos of cocaine.
Q Of the total 8,000
investment?
A 8,000 kilos of cocaine.
Q Mr. Ramirez, before our
break you testified that in 2004
you went from Colombia to
Venezuela.
Do you recall that
testimony?
Q Why did you leave
Colombia and go to Venezuela?
Because the U.S.
Government requested my extradition and
they even offer a $5
million reward. And the U.S. government
and the Colombian
government were doing everything possible to
A Because I lived through
it. Because the U.S. Government
requested my extradition.
They publish a picture of me with
the reward of up to $5
million all over the country.
Q Prior to this did you
have any information from your
corrupt contacts about
the U.S. investigation against you?
Q Did you ever make
bribery payments directly to U.S. law
A To a group of the
Colombian police, an elite group of the
Colombian police who
worked with the group named Siu, who
worked for the U.S. Government
embassy in Colombia in Bogota
and along with the DEA
agents assigned to said embassy.
Q But did any DEA agents
receive your money directly that
Q Going back to
Government Exhibit 302-C in evidence, these
are the ledgers for
Juanita – 4.
Q Now, you’ve testified
previously that Juanita – 4 had to
be sent back to Colombia
because it had been aborted by the
Q Is there anything in
the ledgers that are Juanita – 4
that indicate this event?
Q Could you mark it,
please?
A (So marked.) Rental of
new Juanita.
Q And if I’d ask you to
read what you have in the
Q What does it say there?
A Juanita’s unit was
changed to $60.
A That Juanita was
changed means that the boat was changed
and that brought an
additional cost of $60 per kilo of cocaine
that was transferred to
the other ship.
Q You also testified, Mr.
Ramirez, that you had accounting
ledgers for the main
accounting ledger for your organization?
Q Showing you what’s in
evidence as Government
Exhibit 302-J, do you
recognize this document?
A It is an accounting
from the book that we used to call
the main accounting
ledger.
Q Is there anything in
here in this main accounting ledger
referring to Juanita – 4?
A Up above it says: Units
pad are going out for Juanita –
4. Then it says transport
for Juanita – 4 is also going out.
And then it says, payment
for Juanita – 4 for the cost of
Q And what does it say in
the observation code for that
last entry you just read?
A Juanita was changed due
to safety reasons.
Q And also showing you
what’s in evidence as 302-K.
Q And what is this
document here, 302-K?
A This is a document of
the accounting from the main
Q Do you see any
reference here to Juanita – 4?
A 50 percent payment
Juanita – 4.
Q What does it say in the
other columns?
A Next to it, it says:
Payment is made for 7,660 units.
Then three other
references to Juanita – 4 appear. New
reporters for the delay
in the going out.
Q What is a reporter, Mr.
Ramirez?
A Reporteros were the
reports that we receive from the
Colombian Navy for our
corruption payments to them, which were
informing us and giving
us the navigational charts of where
the American frigate
would be on the Pacific Ocean.
Q Now, moving along to
302-D, Juanita-5.
According to the ledger,
how many kilos of cocaine
A 10,000 kilos of
cocaine.
Q And can you circle
that, please?
Q According to these
ledgers, who within The Sinaloa Cartel
was responsible for
receiving this cocaine at the high seas?
A The Beltran Leyvas
through one of my lieutenants, Alvaro
Q Can you circle where
you see that name?
Q And above that name do
you see Olmedo, what is that?
A That’s me. That’s
another code word to refer to myself.
Q Who were the investors
from The Sinaloa Cartel in this
A Mr. Guzmán Loera, the
Beltran Leyva brothers, Mr. Nacho
Coronel, Mayo Zambada
with his brother Rey Zambada, and
Viceroy, Vicente
Carrillo.
Q Moving along to Juanita
– 6.
MS. GOLDBARG: 302-E, for
the record.
Q How many kilos of
cocaine did you send to The Sinaloa
A 10,000 kilos of
cocaine.
Q Can you mark where you
see that?
Q According to the record
for Juanita – 6, who was
responsible for receiving
the shipment of cocaine at the high
A The Beltran Leyva
brothers through my lieutenant, Olfato
Q And how much did The
Sinaloa Cartel invest in this
cocaine shipment, Juanita
– 6?
Q Who were the names that
are underneath Olfato,
A Riascos, Broder, Alex,
Don R.
MS. GOLDBARG: Hold on,
I’m sorry. Is there a
problem with the
microphone?
THE COURT: Say something.
MS. GOLDBARG: Can we try
that one more time, Your
THE COURT: Why don’t you
try turning it off and
turning it on and see if
that helps.
Q Who are the people that
are below Olfato’s names, do they
belong to your
organization?
Q And who are the
investors from The Sinaloa Cartel in this
A Mr. Guzmán Loera, the
Beltran Leyva brothers, Mayo
Zambada with his brother
Rey Zambada, Nacho Coronel and
Q Showing you now what’s
in evidence Government
Q Juanita – 7, how many
kilos of cocaine did you send to
The Sinaloa Cartel in
Juanita – 7?
A 10,000 kilos of
cocaine.
Q And according to this
ledger, who was responsible for
receiving the cocaine
shipment for The Sinaloa Cartel?
Q And how much did The
Sinaloa Cartel invest in this
Q Who were the members of
The Sinaloa Cartel that invested
in this cocaine shipment?
And let me ask this
question: Is it the same
members of The Sinaloa
Cartel you just said on the last three
Q Moving on to Juanita –
8.
Q According to Government
Exhibit 302-G, the accounting for
Juanita – 8, how many
kilos of cocaine did you send to The
Sinaloa Cartel on this
cocaine shipment?
A 10,500 kilos of
cocaine.
Q And who from The
Sinaloa Cartel was responsible for
A The Beltran Leyva
brothers through my lieutenant, Alvaro
Q How do you know that
from this ledger?
A Because of the
accounting and because Orestes was the
same Alvaro Palau. That
was another code word we used to
Q Orestes, is that that
name right there?
Q And the name above
Orestes Olmedo, who is that a
A That is me, that was a
code word to refer to me.
Q Going through
Government Exhibit 302-H in evidence, which
is the ledger for juanita
nine, can you tell the jury how many
kilos of cocaine you sent
to the Sinaloa Cartel in juanita
A 12,000 kilos of
cocaine.
Q According to this
ledger, who was responsible within the
Sinaloa Cartel of
receiving this juanita nine cocaine
Q And how do you know
that?
A From the accountant,
from my lieutenant, and because
Nieto was a code word
that we used to use to refer to Nacho
Q Can you tell us where
on the ledger it shows Nieto,
Q According to this
record, how many kilos of cocaine did
the Sinaloa Cartel invest
in in juanita nine?
A 2,500 kilos of cocaine.
Q Lastly, going to
juanita ten, Government Exhibit 302-I,
according to this
exhibit, accounting for juanita ten, how
many kilos of cocaine did
you send to the Sinaloa Cartel?
A 3,200 kilos of cocaine.
Q From this ledger, could
you tell who was responsible for
receiving this cocaine
from the Sinaloa Cartel?
A I know it precisely.
Barco was my lieutenant who
organized the logistics
to receive the shipment.
Q Mr. Ramirez, let me ask
you, did you turn these
accounting ledgers over
to the U.S. Government?
Q Now, you testified that
juanita eight, nine, and ten were
sent while you were in
Brazil. Do you recall that?
Q Did juanita one through
ten make it successfully to
Q How many successfully
made it to Mexico?
Q What happened to the
other three?
A Through my lieutenant
and because I personally directed
the shipment of that load
of cocaine. I was personally on top
Q What are the names of
the three juanitas that were
A Juanita eight, juanita
nine, and juanita ten.
Q When was juanita eight
seized?
A September 2004,
approximately.
Q Do you remember when
juanita nine was seized?
A Also approximately
September 2004.
Q How do you remember
this so clearly?
A Because that’s a
tragedy for me as a drug trafficker
because in my entire
history as a drug trafficker, I had never
had two ships seized by
the American authorities, that had
Q How many kilos total
were there in juanita eight and
A 22,500 kilos of
cocaine.
Q Who were the investors
of the Sinaloa Cartel of those two
A Mr. Guzmán Loera,
Beltran Leyva, Nacho Coronel, Mayo and
Ray Zambada, and Vicente
Carrillo, Viceroy.
Q What kind of shipping
vessels were these?
A Shipping vessels. I’m
sorry, they were white shipping
Q Do you know where the
cocaine was found aboard the ships?
A Not exactly, but it was
stored in a secret compartment in
the structure of the
ships.
Q Now, looking briefly at
juanita eight, according to this
ledger, what did you put
on juanita eight, and this is 302-G
A What do you mean? I
didn’t understand the question. Can
Q According to this
ledger, did you place anything on the
It says the word
“hielo” right there, H-I-E-L-O?
Q Why did you put — what
is that?
A That’s two tons of ice
that we placed in the boat’s ice
chests for the catch that
had been caught supposedly by the
Q Would you occasionally
put fish on the boats as well?
Q Now, as a result of the
seizures of juanita eight and
juanita nine, did you
change of any of the methods of
transporting cocaine to
the Sinaloa Cartel?
A Well, it occurred to me
or I gave instructions to my
lieutenants of building
submarines.
Q What do you mean by a
submarine?
A A submarine is a vessel
that submerges a few meters under
the water, that way it
could cross the Pacific Ocean and avoid
being detected by
American frigate boats and by the American
airplanes that are
patrolling the Pacific Ocean, and when they
see a suspicion fishing
vessel, they board it. So we did this
to avoid that because we
had lost two shipments in those two
previous fishing vessels.
Q Did you send a
submarine to the Sinaloa Cartel?
A In January, February,
2005, approximately, I sent the
Q And what was the name
of the shipment?
Q Showing you again
302-I, is the accounting ledger for the
first submarine you sent
to the Sinaloa Cartel?
Q Did this submarine make
it successfully to the Sinaloa
A It was also seized in
the Pacific.
Q Was this the only time
you attempted to send a submarine
Q Did you send more
submarines to the Sinaloa Cartel?
Q How many more
submarines did you send to the Sinaloa
A Approximately eight to
ten additional submarines.
Q How many kilos of
cocaine on average did you ship on
these submarine
shipments?
A Normally between 4,000
and 5,000 kilos of cocaine.
Q These additional
submarines that you sent after juanita
10 was seized, did they
all make it successfully to the
Sinaloa Cartel in Mexico?
Q Did you start sending
cocaine any other way to the
Sinaloa Cartel in
addition to the submarines?
Q How else did you start
sending cocaine to the Sinaloa
A We were also using
small aircraft, piston planes to
Q Did you have a code
word for the small airplanes?
Q What was that code
word?
THE INTERPRETER:
C-O-M-E-T-A-S, by interpreter.
Q Showing you what’s in
evidence as Government Exhibit
302-L. What is this
document?
A It’s the main ledgers
accounting.
Q Do you see anything in
here related to the cometa?
Q And what does it say
there?
A It says 50 percent
payment transport cometa four.
Q Can you read the line
above that, please, as well?
A Payment manufacturing
800 units cometa four.
Q What does that mean to
you?
A 800 kilos of cocaine
that we had made because those were
the 800 kilos that we
sent on that airplane.
Q And who were these cometas
going to?
A Central America,
Guatemala.
Q And who was receiving
them?
A The Sinaloa Cartel
people.
Q Do you know
approximately how many planes of cocaine you
sent to the Sinaloa
Cartel during this timeframe?
Q Approximately how many?
A Approximately 10
airplanes.
Q What was the average
quantity of cocaine per airplane?
A 600 to 800 kilos of
cocaine.
Q Did these 10 planes
make it successfully to the Sinaloa
Q Who was your lieutenant
in charge of the airplanes, the
A Sophia, and another
person we called Victor.
Q Now, during this time
that you are sending the juanita
cocaine shipments to the
Sinaloa Cartel in Mexico, do you know
where these drugs are
being sold?
A Through my lieutenants
and picking up the money for the
cometas, for the
airplanes that we were sending.
Q Where was the Sinaloa
Cartel sending the cocaine that
they were receiving on
the cometas?
Q Now, you mentioned
earlier that there were various
methods of transportation
you learned about including trains.
Did you have any specific
conversations with any of your
lieutenants about the
transportation of your cocaine via
Q How did this
conversation come up?
A Because there had been
a delay in paying me money for the
cocaine I had sent to the
Sinaloa Cartel, to the Federation.
So I spoke to my
lieutenant, well, to two of my lieutenants,
and I said, what’s
happening, why is there a delay with my
money. And they said it
was because the Sinaloa Cartel people
had had a cocaine seizure
in the U.S. and it had been
Q Did your lieutenants
tell you where that train seizure
occurred in the United
States?
A They said the seizure
had been in New York.
Q Did your lieutenants
tell you what type of trains were
being used for the
shipment of cocaine?

Concludes testimony regarding Juanitas page 100 thru 132 testimony Monday December 3rd 

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